Edgemont budget web site
I just learned of a new web site entitled "Support Edgemont Schools." The site urges a yes vote on the school budget on May 16 (a position with which I concur).
It also has lots of other goodies about the budget.
About the community of Edgemont in the Town of Greenburgh in Westchester County in New York State.
I just learned of a new web site entitled "Support Edgemont Schools." The site urges a yes vote on the school budget on May 16 (a position with which I concur).
The Edgemont Village Exploratory Committee's work is done now that the group has written its white paper evaluating the various legal and economic issues of creating a village. The committee ultimately did not make a recommendation to become a village or not, in part because opinions within the committee were divided.
Resident Bob Bernstein will form a group to put forth a proposal for incorporating the community into Greenburgh's seventh village, he said yesterday.Should be interesting.
Bernstein, a member of the now-disbanded Edgemont Village Exploratory Committee, which studied the issue for 18 months, made the announcement a day after the committee presented the results of their final report.
"At this point, we fully intend to put together a petition drive, but not before we have met the challenges that the EVEC report identifies," he said.
The Edgemont Village Exploratory Committee (EVEC) will deliver its final report tonight at a meeting at 8 p.m. at the high school. I'll give a brief overview of the EVEC process before the substance of the presentation--reports from the economics committee and the governance committee.
If we think of the Edgemont residents who voted yesterday as the universe of budget voters, we can do some interesting analysis. We now know that within that universe are 1599 yes voters and 717 no voters. What else do we know?
I have been told that the budget passed by a margin of 1599 in favor to 717 opposed (and 19 contested ballots). (My undocumented prediction had been that the budget would pass by 200 to 300 votes. So much for my prognostication talent.)
Edgemont resident Arnold Greenstein recently wrote the following letter to Jack Vaughan in response to earlier communication from Vaughan. (I reprint Greenstein's letter here with permission of the author.) Greenstein has also written a letter on the Edgemont budget to The Journal News.
Mr. Jack Vaughan, President
Edgemont Education Committee for Fiscal Responsibility
I am one of the “two-thirds” of the residents that does not have a child in the schools. I have not had a child in school for ten years. I used to work in finance, but currently I’m a teacher, and my wife has been a teacher in Edgemont for over twenty years. Years ago I served on the School Board’s financial advisory committee. So, even though I support education, I too was astounded when I first saw the Board’s proposed tax increase. But after some investigation and reflection, I have come to a different perspective on the budget, and I believe that it is necessary to pass the current budget.
As educators, my wife and I have difficulty keeping up with increasing taxes and spiraling costs. Although you think teacher salaries are exhorbitant, I don’t know any teachers that can afford to buy a house in Edgemont without some form of additional income.
It is, however, unfortunate that you use misleading and inaccurate “facts” to inflame sentiment against an incredibly successful and well managed school district. Your percentages are stated in a very misleading way. “Teacher salaries increased 25% in the last three years... in the face of record low inflation,” seems to intentionally imply that teachers are making 25% more than they did three years ago. You must know that this is untrue. This increase is due to adding more teachers because of increasing enrollments. If you’ve investigated this at all, you know that salary increases were 2.9% and 3.1% in the last two years compared to the 2.7% cost of living increase. And Edgemont teachers are paid at the median of districts in Westchester (less than in Scarsdale, for instance). You must know that these kinds of mis-statements are erroneous and inflamatory.
In your first letter, you state, “An average Edgemont home assessed at $25,000...” and in your second letter you say, “an average Edgemont home assessed at $30,000...” I was unaware that a re-assessment took place in the past month. The last time I checked, the average assessment was about $22,000. Where are you getting these numbers? I can’t help but think that you are making them up as you go along.
Most of your other “percentages” are either wrong or misleading. I wonder where you obtained the figure that “two thirds of our community do not have children in the schools.” I don’t think this number is verifiable and am curious as to your source. You seem to be implying, however, that we’re paying for someone else’s child’s education. Have you considered that the average taxpayer pays for less than half of their own child’s education. If you have a child in the schools for 12 years, it takes 24 years to cover one child’s education. And if you’ve had two children in the schools, it’s 48 years.
Another example is your statement that it costs “~$20,000/student to send a child to Edgemont schools.” According to Westchester Magazine last month, Edgemont’s per pupil expenditure was $16,163 last year. Your figure is off by 25%. Edgemont is the top rated school district in Westchester and one of the top rated school districts in the country. It has been for over twenty years. And yet, our per pupil cost (according to Westchester Magazine) is $2,000 per pupil less than second rated Chappaqua ($18,200 per pupil), $5,000 less than #3 Briarcliff ($21,183), and $3,700 less than #7 rated Scarsdale ($19,873). Why can’t you rely on the correct numbers? Why are you trying to be inflammatory? Many of your other numbers are equally agregious, but it would take a much longer letter to go through them all.
Your solution is to vote down the budget. You show little regard for the educational environment. You want the board to negotiate teacher contracts that would make our teachers among the lowest paid in Westchester. You want to take away sports and co-curricular activities from students. You want to increase class size. I would prefer productive, positive solutions. Edgemont residents have enjoyed an increase in home values that astronomically exceeds the increase in real estate taxes. Your reliance on percentages belies the fact that a 30% increase in taxes over 3 years may be a couple of thousand dollars while a 30% increase in property values represents hundreds of thousands of dollars. I will gladly pay an extra thousand dollars in taxes to realize a two or three hundred thousand dollar increase in my real estate value. Even if I never plan on selling my home, if necessary, I can easily go to the bank and extract some of the equity, pay my taxes and put a couple of hundred thousand dollars in my pocket. This is only possible because of the quality of our schools.
People pay exhorbitant real estate prices for homes in our community because of the schools. I am terrified that if the budget is defeated this will no longer be the case. Students are not admitted to the best colleges without sports and extra-curricular activites on their applications. Eliminating teachers will curtail many activities and increase class size. Parents will no longer pay higher real estate prices to send their kids to a school district that eliminates sports, cuts extra curricular activities and increases class size.
Edgemont is Magic. I have to applaud the Board, Administration, teachers and staff for creating and maintaining a World Class school district, and spending less doing it than very similar communites. I don’t know how they’ve done it, but I wouldn’t fool with it. There are many other school districts, in very similar communities, that are spending significantly more money, and haven’t achieved the same results. My Edgemont home is the best investment I have ever made. There are many ways of using your substantial home equity to offset your taxes. I don’t know of any other investment or institution that provides the kind of returns, for our children, our community and our pocketbooks than the Edgemont schools. You are unnecessarilly threatening our schools, our children’s futures and our real estate values.
Sincerely,
Arnold Greenstein
Moorland Drive
Edgemont resident Arnold Greenstein recently wrote the following letter in support of the school budget. (I reprint Greenstein's letter here with permission of the author.) Greenstein has also written a letter to Jack Vaughan on similar issues, available here.
Editor, The Journal News
letters@thejournalnews.com
June 13, 2005
Edgemont is Magic. Edgemont is a World Class school district that is run at a cost below that of many similar districts. According to last month’s Westchester Magazine, Edgemont was the #1 rated school district in Westchester and the per pupil cost was $16,163, $2,000 per pupil less than second rated Chappaqua ($18,200 per pupil), $5,000 less than #3 Briarcliff ($21,183), and $3,700 less than #7 rated Scarsdale ($19,873).
However, there is an organization in the community that would like to vote down the current school budget. They have sent two letters, full of misleading, inaccurate and inflammatory “facts.” Their statement, for instance, that “Teacher salaries increased 25% in the last three years... in the face of record low inflation,” seems to intentionally imply that teachers are making 25% more than they did three years ago. They must know that this is untrue. This increase is due to adding more teachers because of increasing enrollments. Salary increases averaged 3% in the last two years compared to the 2.7% cost of living increase. And Edgemont teachers are paid at the median of districts in Westchester (less than in Scarsdale, for instance).
Their solution to an admittedly high tax increase is to vote down the budget. They show little regard for the educational environment. They want the board to negotiate teacher contracts that would make our teachers among the lowest paid in Westchester. They want to take away sports and co-curricular activities from students. They want to increase class size. It’s too bad they don’t put their time and effort into productive, positive solutions.
Edgemont residents have enjoyed an increase in home values that astronomically exceeds the increase in real estate taxes. Is an extra thousand dollars in taxes worth a hundred thousand dollar increase in real estate value? Even if I never plan on selling my home, if necessary, I can go to the bank and extract some of its equity, pay my taxes and put a couple of hundred thousand dollars in my pocket. This is only possible because of the quality of our schools. It is not possible in many neighboring districts.
I have to applaud the Board, administration, teachers and staff for creating and maintaining a World Class school district, and spending less money doing it than any other similar community. I don’t know how they’ve done it, but I wouldn’t fool with it. My Edgemont home is the best investment I have. There are ways of using your substantial home equity to offset your taxes. I don’t know of any other investment or institution that provides the kind of returns, for our children, our community and our pocketbooks than the Edgemont schools. Please do not unnecessarily threaten our schools, our children’s futures and our real estate values.
Arnold Greenstein
Moorland Drive
Today's Journal News covers last Tuesday's school board meeting about the budget in an article entitled "Edgemont schools to resubmit same budget."
Edgemont schools superintendent Nancy Taddiken was quoted in an article on school budgets in today's New York Times:
Presumably when Taddiken said she had not heard from those against the proposed budget, she was speaking about the school board meetings many weeks ago when the budget proposal was openly discussed. From what I hear, at those meetings the anti-budget, keep-our-taxes-down voices were silent indeed.Before any vote, most school boards are holding another round of public meetings to discuss the budgets with local taxpayers. But many officials are not optimistic about such meetings, pointing out that most of those who usually attend already favor proposed increases.
"We did not hear from anyone who was angry or against the proposal," said Nancy Taddiken, superintendent of Edgemont schools, where an 11 percent spending increase lost by 7 votes. "However people voted, we want them to come and talk to us. We want to listen to what people feel in order to move forward."
Ms. Taddiken acknowledged that many residents may well be frustrated by double-digit percentage increases in their property tax bills several times in recent years. The proposed school spending plan would create a 12-percent increase in the tax levy.
Interesting chart in today's New York Times. Apparently Edgemont per-pupil budgets have grown less in the past four years than those of the school districts immediately to our west.
I received an e-mail this morning soliciting donations for a school board campaign in Cambridge, Mass. According to the message, campaigns there have been costing about $10,000.
Tuesday evening the school board conducted an open hearing on the school budget. Hundreds of people showed up, and many tens of people made statements for the record. Members of the board itself did not speak for or against the budget, I gather because they are limited in what they can say by state law. (Also, board president Richard Glickstein said the purpose of the hearing was to listen to the community, not so speak.) Glickstein and superintendent Nancy Taddiken did answer some direct questions.
In the Sunday New York Times real estate section, I saw 11 Edgemont houses for sale. Here are the data on asking prices:
The Journal News has an article on the upcoming Democratic primary for Greenburgh town supervisor:
When the Democratic Town Committee gathers Thursday at Town Hall to designate a candidate for supervisor, seven-term Supervisor Paul Feiner will likely be the underdog, despite 14 years of experience and a solid record of voter support.Here is my two cents on the two lead candidates:
Lawyer Bill Greenawalt, a former party chairman who is the first Democrat to mount a primary challenge to Feiner since 1993, earned the executive committee's recommendation a few weeks ago, leading some to predict that he will win the party's support...
[Feiner] may be facing the biggest test of his career as supervisor after what has been a difficult year...
In recent months, Feiner has endured a spate of political losses on issues large and small at the hands of the four other members of the all-Democratic Town Board, which has demonstrated more united opposition than perhaps at any time during Feiner's tenure as the town's top official.
The neighborhood of Edgemont is considering becoming a village; the town's six existing villages Ardsley, Dobbs Ferry, Elmsford, Hastings-on-Hudson, Irvington and Tarrytown have discussed seceding from the town completely after a dispute regarding a lawsuit settlement. Many civic organizations continue to scrap with Feiner. And in the fall, critics accused him of violating ethics laws by accepting campaign funds from parties with applications pending before the town....
Arrogant or responsive?
Two years ago, with no Democratic opponent, Feiner struggled to gain party support, winning the designation with only 53 percent of the vote at the party's convention. That November, he easily defeated Republican Jim Lasser in heavily Democratic Greenburgh...
Critics of Feiner call him divisive, arrogant and dictatorial, saying he refuses to work with those who don't agree with his policies....
Madelon O'Shea, a Feiner critic and the president of the Council of Greenburgh Civic Organizations, an umbrella group, said Feiner has offended civic groups by installing his own "community liaisons" as a way of sidestepping them and has never shown a willingness to work with them.
"Paul has absolutely no respect for anybody who runs counter to what he thinks," she said....
Feiner and his supporters, however, scoff at such comments, saying he is one of the most responsive officials in the region.
"I've always been willing to compromise," Feiner said. But, he said, he will not change his beliefs on important issues in the face of opposition. And he said defiantly that he feels he doesn't need the party to succeed at the polls...
Edgemont resident Don Siegal, a Feiner booster, said he has always found Feiner to be eminently approachable.
"He does what he thinks is right for the town," Siegal said.
More details on the Edgemont school budget are available via these links:
COME AND BE HEARD ... ...Public Hearing on the BudgetTuesday, May 24, 2005Edgemont Junior-Senior High School LGI8:15 pm
As you have probably heard, the 2005-2006 budget was defeated on May 17th. There were 535 yes votes and 542 no votes. By law, four options are open to us. We may:
- submit a revised budged to voters;
- resubmit the same budget to voters;
- adopt an austerity budget;
- adopt an austerity budget and submit propositions to voters.
No matter how you voted on May 17th, we urge you to come to the public hearing May 24th and express your views (or to call or write to us if you can't attend that night).
On the following Tuesday night, May 31st, at a public meeting to be heald at 8:15 pm in the Junior-Senior High School Auditorium, we will decide how to proceed. You are invited to attend this meeting as well.The Edgemont Board of Education
From a sidebar in the May 19 Journal News:
Edgemont defeat
After reviewing contested ballots yesterday morning, Edgemont school officials declared their budget defeated by seven votes, with a final tally of 535 in favor of the budget, and 542 opposed.
Schools Superintendent Nancy Taddiken said that among eight contested ballots, two were confirmed as voters, and those votes were one for and one against. There were six voters that could not be confirmed, but Taddiken said they could not overturn the results, even if all six were in favor of the spending plan.
School board (two seats):And here are the results from all the other local school districts.
*Mark Romney - 747
*Sarah Stern - 765
Budget:
Yes - 534
No - 541
Apparently the school budget was defeated today by seven votes. (And I thought the library vote was close.)
In Edgemont, where the results were inconclusive late last night, the budget seemed on the verge of defeat. Assistant Superintendent Sue Shirken said she would not know until she checks today on the status of eight votes. Eight people came and voted but were not on the list of registered voters, she said.
Julia B Fee has a "search by school district" feature on its web site, so you can find current Edgemont real estate listings. (I believe this includes all listings in the MLS, whether or not Julia B Fee is the broker.)
Mapquest finds ten places named Edgemont in the U.S. None of them is the subject of this blog. Mapquest finds Edgemonts in
According to a ranking in the current Newsweek, Edgemont is the 26th best public high school in the country, the fourth best in New York State and the best in Westchester County.
Public schools are ranked according to a ratio devised by Jay Mathews: the number of Advanced Placement or International Baccalaureate tests taken by all students at a school in 2004 divided by the number of graduating seniors.Seems to me that one could have a first-rate school without a high number of AP or IB tests, and similarly one could have a second- or third-rate school where lots of kids take AP or IB tests.
the school had decided to stop paying AP test fees and stop requiring students in the courses to take the tests....So, despite the likelihood that Lower Merion has not drastically declined as a school, its ranking has.
I understand that Mr. Mathews is looking for schools where every student is encouraged to take challenging classes and achieve as much as they possibly can. And that certainly describes our school.
Yes, the criterion is mostly bogus. But as the inimitable Hans and Franz would sniff, "Complaints about the criteria are for girly-men losers!"
by far, the best education writer in the country.
School rankingsNote that all the schools on this list (yes, even number 1036) are in the top 4% of the 27,468 schools included in the survey.
The rankings were computed by taking the number of AP and/or IB tests taken by all students at a school in 2004 and dividing it by the number of graduating seniors.
26. Edgemont High School
42. Horace Greeley High School, Chappaqua
49. Dobbs Ferry High School
96. Briarcliff High School
97. Rye Neck High School
98. Bronxville High School
120. Harrison High School
124. Hastings High School
130. Irvington High School
131. John Jay High School, Katonah-Lewisboro
139. Byram Hills High School
194. Mamaroneck High School
198. Blind Brook High School
208. Scarsdale High School
232. Hendrick Hudson High School
256. Ardsley High School
267. Pleasantville High School
274. Fox Lane High School, Bedford
283. Croton Harmon High School
292. Sleepy Hollow High School
326. Spring Valley High School
349. Ossining High School
351. Clarkstown South High School, West Nyack
365. Pelham Memorial High School
391. North Salem High School
457. Pearl River High School
470. New Rochelle High School
477. White Plains High School
480. Tappan Zee High School, South Orangetown
497. Eastchester High School
500. Suffern High School
510. Lakeland High School
570. Haldane High School
703. Rye High School*
860. Somers High School
866. Yorktown High School
936. Clarkstown North High School, West Nyack
1036. Woodlands High School, Greenburgh
* Rye district officials say that due to their own reporting error, their district actually ranks 85th rather than 703rd.
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I volunteer for several local organizations (e.g., ECC, EVEC, Fire Dept.), and I have family members who are or were active volunteers in a number of local organizations (e.g., school board, PTA, EVEC, Edgemont School Foundation, United Way, Westchester Community College, Westchester Medical Center).